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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2008.01.10 02:14:00 -
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Devoter fits perfectly fine. What do you want to do with it?
It should have 4 meds and 6 lows like the phobos which would make it a better lowsec tackler. But well i am not surprised. However this ship is ok for its job. As for the guns i'd fit acs anyway but it depends what and also where are you going to do it.
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2008.01.10 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: Vanderie
I disagree with that personally. Look at Gallente blasters; dropping down a level (neutron to ion) is a pretty big drop in DPS (my main is specced for Gallente), so it's on the same level.
How is on the same level, i.e. with perfect skills and no damage mods:
heavy pulse with conflag: 42dps fmp: 36dps ~ 16% drop in dps
heavy neutron blaster void: 49dps heavy ion blaster void: 46dps ~ 6.5% drop in dps
Of course the savings on pg/cpu are bigger too if you drop from heavy pulses to focused ones. But the problem as i know it is that you either have too much fitting left if you fit "only" fmps or you have too little freedom if you fit heavy pulses. I think a med tier pulse laser would be nice to have. Maybe then minnies should get a third artie too.
But generally speaking fitting on lasers should be made a little bit easier. Fitting a rupture or thorax is so easy compared to fitting a decent maller its not funny anymore. Ok maller would suck even if it wasn't for the fitting probs. But thats another story.
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2008.01.11 02:57:00 -
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Edited by: Wu Jiun on 11/01/2008 02:58:28
Originally by: Cpt Branko
The Broadsword can outdamage the devoter, the Onyx, not really. FMP IIs > HAMs on the Onyx. You don't know what you're talking about.
In this case its unfortunately you who doesn't know what he is talking about.
Onyx with 5 x ham and cn kinetic missiles outdamages a devoter with 4 x fmp 2 and conflag from 0 to about 30km. Without cap usage.
As much as i am for getting rid of jojo as he doesn't anything good for the amarr case you should not alter facts to make him look stupid. There is enough stupid things he said that this is not necessary.
Edit: Someone beat me to it. nvm
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2008.01.11 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
wait, now we are arguing the DPS of the HIC's?
what for?
Why not? Excuse me i realize you have a witchhunt going on here and you truly have my sympathy as the man gets on my nerves too.
In my opinion devoter is mainly fine and there are no real fitting problems as the op states. However they do have weapon hardpoints, don't they? Why would you not balance these among each other like you would do it with any other ship in this game? I truly doubt you can come up with a persuading answer.
Devoter should have 5 hardpoints. The reason why it hasn't is simple:
Other hics lose considerable damage output to drones which the devoter does not.
So there you have it. Case closed. Claiming however that the number of hardpoints is just irrelevant only because its not a main dps dealer is flawed. And i think you know that, don't you?
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2008.01.11 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: shinsushi
EDIT: one post up also used the same logic. I am not sure where the whole drone bay thing comes from though, he must be speaking in reference to other vessels because i do not see any drone bays on these ships. Lets not even get into cargo space (200m3 less??? wtf chuck?)
Don't play dumb please. Thorax for example has 50m¦ dronebay. Maller has 0. Devoter and Phobos both have 0. Now if you can't figure that out well then its not worth arguing here.
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2008.01.11 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: shinsushi So, what you guys are asserting is that WITHOUT drones, those ships out-damage the maller, which doesn't have drones, and this in-turn makes it just fine and dandy to equally gimp the devoter?
You claim devoter got screwed because it loses a turret hardpoint against a maller. So i extended this viewpoint comparing a thorax to a phobos. Phobos (applying just your logic here) loses 50m¦ of dronespace which is about 3 x the dps of a heavy pulse laser on the devoter (with no dmg mods).
So on what planet do you live? Its really simple.
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